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thank you
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hi Dr Seema Segal how are you today I'm
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very well rupali thank you for having me
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so we were just talking before this call
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about a very important topic and it's
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been going on in the news a lot about
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body image of a young person and even
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like an older person so let's talk a
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little bit about anorexia and the some
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of the cultural implications and how
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social media is aiding to it so tell me
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all the secrecy that's being you know
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people don't talk about it right being
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thin is is a cool way to look right now
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so tell me some of the signs and what
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are the things to watch out for
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sure
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um you know you're absolutely right
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rupali
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um it is you know anorexia has been
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around for a long time and you know if
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you look at it historically right I
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think there are early cases all the way
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back to the Hellenistic era and then the
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Victorian sort of image of you know
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being very thin and that being looked on
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uh positively by you know your family
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and Society where you know you lived and
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did business and unfortunately because
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it is shrouded in so much uh secrecy
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because unlike other mental health
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issues
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anorexia has not just the stigma from
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society as such but there is a lot of
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self-stigmatization the patients you
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know themselves feels really terrible
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about themselves their self-image their
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sense of worthlessness and guilt and
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they speak even less about it and so it
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gets you know very little visibility
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there is very little awareness
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um you know about this disorder and if
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you look at the definition it basically
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encompasses three big aspects one is you
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know restriction what we call
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restriction of energy not necessarily
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restriction of food because food is just
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fuel for the body and so there is when
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there is restriction of energy for the
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body that is what you know causes the
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downstream effects on the body itself
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this is coupled with an intense fear of
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gaining weight and along with that can
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be associated with a disturbance in how
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your body and shape is perceived and you
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know there are
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um many factors that come together you
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know there are there's a lot of thought
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in the field that it is actually a
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developmental disorder which which
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presents in a biological psychological
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and social landscape so if you think
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about it the highest incidence of where
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it appears the most is between ages of
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about 10 and 20. now you know
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developmentally all of us have what we
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call developmental tasks every child has
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to navigate certain milestones in their
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development in order to
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um you know be sort of confident and
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have a good sense of themselves so
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during this period you know the major
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developmental tasks if you think about
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it are puberty
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autonomy they're trying to become
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autonomous and have a say in you know
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what's happening to them and their body
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and the choices they make and their
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sense of identity
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so you know with these three things
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being sort of the primary goals there's
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a lot of things that can come along and
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disrupt this
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now the disruption can be you know some
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traumatic event in fact they say about
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75 percent of people have experienced
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some trauma at the onset of you know the
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eating disorder taking off and the
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trauma could be you know it doesn't have
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to be something really big it could be
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um just you know a different parenting
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style than what the child needs it could
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be some dysfunction in the family for an
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athlete it could be you know suddenly
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not being able to participate in their
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you know favored athletic activity or a
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gymnast hurting themselves and that
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being taken away from them you know
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something that disrupts their sense of
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self or you have you know parenting
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where it's an over controlling parenting
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style where again the child is not able
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to express uh their own sense of what
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they want and need and then you know we
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can't forget the cultural component of
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what food means in different cultures
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yeah now where for a lot of parents food
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is how they show love and parenting to
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the child and when the child is not
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allowed to have a say or decide or
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create for themselves their own
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relationship with food it starts to sort
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of you know go a different way
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another thing that you know is important
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to watch for is the type of
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characteristics of the child themselves
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you know the personality style so we
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often see the children who are affected
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by this tend to be more perfectionistic
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they tend to be more anxious they tend
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to be they tend to have OCD traits not
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the full disorder but just traits
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obsessive traits
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um they tend to be what we call harm
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aversive they like they don't like
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taking risks so when you have a child
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that is like this and then there is
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superimposition of other factors in the
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family you know the society and social
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media also saying okay you know the
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child feels for whatever reason the
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trauma that has you know the child has
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seen could be the death of a loved one
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sometimes you know a death of a parent
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precipitates it
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or from something in the school of
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friendships right absolutely you know
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where you're bullied where you are not
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uh you're not seen for who you are but
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just the body in which you live and in
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which you do business yeah so you know
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for different reasons the child begins
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to feel unsafe in their own body yeah to
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try to distance themselves from their
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body they find a way to express very
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difficult complex emotions and food
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becomes the easiest handiest most
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available tool that gets weaponized yeah
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and you know so they start to use the
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food as a way of control as a way of
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actually to their mind it makes total
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logical sense that they withhold and
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they you know use it as a way to express
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these emotions and before you know it uh
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it's getting it's getting to a point
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where it starts to get dangerous and so
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the important thing to remember is it is
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a deadly disease with a very high
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mortality and the patient is not your
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enemy so the family and the patient have
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to work together against the eating
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disorder which is the enemy and it takes
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a while to make that leap yeah so I
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think that's a really good point that
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you made right it's the family and the
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loved one and the the support that you
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have around what are the signs uh like
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you know these kind of things happen in
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a lot of isolation too right people do
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it when they're living alone or so what
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are the things that people can watch out
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to help their loved one right and you
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know that is really important because
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awareness is everything so you know your
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child right you know your child you know
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their behavior you know what how they
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normally eat what they normally do so if
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you notice a sudden change in their
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behavior in terms of their eating less
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they're becoming more picky about what
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they eat they don't want to eat in
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public they want to eat in the secrecy
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in isolation of their room they refuse
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to go out for dinner
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um you know in gatherings in restaurants
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they are beginning to have these
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patterns of eating where they must eat
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this first or that verse you know that
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rigidity is coming in they start to wear
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loose clothes they start to have an as
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the you know the weight loss and ask the
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energy depletes from the body
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different organ systems will begin to
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manifest signs of that depletion so
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there can be medical issues you know the
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heart rate goes down they start to get
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dizzy their you know brain isn't getting
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enough uh fuel so you're starting you
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know your concentration Focus your moods
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are more irritable you're angry
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there is a level of almost delusional
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idea of your own starvation and that's
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what makes it scary because they are not
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able to there is such a disconnection
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between who they feel they are as their
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self and the body in which that self is
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living so a lot of people say that you
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know some describe the recovery from
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anorexia as really connecting with this
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lost identity
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and so the signs you look for you know
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other physical signs you have sort of
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the you know other
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um medical signs could be hair falling
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out men situation that stops because you
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know as different systems are shutting
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down you start to see the manifestations
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wow
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and it's also like tied like you said a
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lot to self-esteem
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Etc right and so what are some of the
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resources
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um you know I think it's mostly for the
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caregiver or a loved one to seek out to
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so would you share some of that at the
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end of the video definitely so we'll put
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resources there are lots of you know
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National agencies that uh have wonderful
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resource pages and you know kovid has
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been talk about trauma talk about that
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perfect storm where
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um you know for the anxious uh person
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who loves the routine who loves
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predictability came covered where uh
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everything went out the window you know
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there was no Surety about anything you
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were anyway isolating you weren't going
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out to get food you were trying to sort
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of you know stick with what was at home
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so the incidence of uh you know Eating
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Disorders went up tremendously during
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coven because of its uncertainty the
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isolation unpredictability and ambiguity
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that it brought and the other important
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thing to remember that is not spoken
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about is anorexia in men you know we
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talk about it as just anorexia in women
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and if you look at you know Fitness
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magazines if you look at Fitness
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magazines that are directed towards
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young men or boys they talk about you
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know having a muscular body in the body
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shape whereas if you look at the women
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it's all about diet and fungus and then
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you know there are social constructs
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like inspiration and you know words like
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that that are sort of bandied about and
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you know the the sort of
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um you know social media and the
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modeling of all these really really
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wrong constructs that you are how you
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look you are not what's inside you are
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just how you look and the more thin you
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can be the better it speaks for your
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sense of discipline and control over you
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know all aspects of your life so to just
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you know word of caution that if you're
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feeling that disconnected with aspects
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of yourself sometimes we say you know
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cultivate a good hobby put yourself out
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there in a uh in a situation that you're
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giving back to somebody to feel good
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about yourself and really talking about
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it I think the more we talk the easier
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it gets to talk yeah
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wow that is really educational thank you
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so much Dr SEMA we will put the
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resources and I think I love the thing
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get a hobby right like where does it get
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a life or mostly it is absolutely find
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something that you love that you know uh
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that talks to you that sings to you and
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uh and treating yourself with kindness
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and compassion that it's a very very
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hard you know uh illness to go through
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and nobody should go through this alone
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that there are resources there are
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people you can talk to there is help
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that can be had and to reach out for
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those
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before we end this let me ask you if a
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person realizes that they are in this
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you know this trend
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what is like should they be talking to
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their psychiatrists the doctors like
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what is the first line that they should
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reach out to the first line I always say
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is if you have a primary care doctor
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talk to them if you have a parent that
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you trust uh you know just like the uh
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two stories that you had uploaded one of
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them mentioned that her parents really
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were the resource that sent her to
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treatment that you know had her reclaim
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her life so if you have a uh caregiver
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that you trust that's often the first
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you know place to go or your primary
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care physician is a good starting point
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because it is it does involve the entire
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you know the whole family this is not a
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journey that can be undertaken alone and
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there is education to be done for the
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family as well not just the patient but
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the whole system in which the patient
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lives
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has to sort of mold and grow and learn
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together so the family has to have
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buy-in
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great thank you so much Dr SEMA Segel
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appreciate your time today you're
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welcome thanks
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